From:  shekerra
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On: 2008/02/01 00:54:06
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Well Pino - how are you going to help your brothers and your sister via YouTube?
http://www.secularstudents.org/node/1933
MySpace Deletes Largest Atheist Group in the World.
Cleveland, OH.— Social networking site, MySpace.com, panders to religious intolerants by deleting atheist users, groups and content.
Early this month, MySpace again deleted the Atheist and Agnostic Group (35,000 members). This deletion, due largely to complaints from people who find atheism offensive, marks the second time MySpace has cancelled the group since November 2007.
What’s unique in this case is that the Atheist and Agnostic Group was the largest collection of organized atheists in the world. The group had its own Wikipedia entry, and in April won the Excellence in Humanist Communication Award (2007) from the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University and the Secular Student Alliance.
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 01:47:04
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WTF!?!?
I have to think about that one
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/01 01:48:37
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I knew you would come to the rescue!!!
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 02:36:56
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Well, I'm not sure about what I can do. I've never done anything on MySpace. But I'm certainly not going to let this lie.
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/02/01 02:37:03
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Gordon fucking Bennett, that's ludicrous. On the positive side, actions like this probably act to the long-term detriment of the MySpace site.
Who'da thunk that Rupert Murdoch's media empire would ever have exhibited any intolerance or prejudice? ::snicker::
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From: rem
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On: 2008/02/01 02:39:30
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People in charge of MySpace think they're God, and therefore cannot accept atheists. Seems logic to me. Delete or erase everything / everybody you don't like.
btw I've got a problem with my neighbour...
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 02:42:46
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Rupert Murchoch's behind MySpace?
May the FSM help them
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/01 04:13:39
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A journalist assigned to the Jerusalem bureau has an apartment overlooking the Western Wall. Every day when she looks out, she sees old bearded Jewish men praying vigorously. Certain that one would be a good interview subject, the journalist goes down to the Wall, and introduces herself to the old man. She asks, "You come every day to the Wall.
Sir, how long have you done that and what are you praying for?"
The old man replies, "I have come here to pray every day for 25 years. In the morning I pray for world peace... for world peace and for the brotherhood of man. Then, I go home, have a cup of tea, and then I come back. Now I pray for the eradication of illness and disease from the earth. But more important, I pray for peace and understanding between the Israelis and the Palestinians."
The journalist, impressed with the dedication and devotion asks, "And how does it make you feel to come here, every day for 25 years, and pray for these wonderful things?"
The old man calmly replies, "Like I'm talking to a wall?!"
An atheist was walking through the woods one day, admiring all that evolution had created. Suddenly he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw an 8 foot grizzly bear beginning to charge toward him.
He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Running faster yet, he looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart was pounding in his chest. He tried to run faster. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground.
As he rolled over to pick himself up, the bear was right over him, reaching for him with its left paw and raising its right paw to strike him. The atheist cried..."GOD DAMN!..."
Time stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. Even the river stopped moving. As a brilliant light shone upon the man, a thunderous voice came from the sky.
"YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS, TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON'T EXIST AND EVEN CREDIT MY CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. NOW, YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU AND DAMN THIS BEAR? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A CHRISTIAN?"
The atheist looked directly into the light and said, "How 'bout you make the bear a Christian?"
"VERY WELL," said the voice. The light went out. The river ran. The sounds of the forest resumed. ... and the bear dropped down to his knees, brought both paws together, bowed his head and said: "Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive."
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 04:23:50
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For what it's worth....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy9Zd6rv2fE
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/02/01 04:35:35
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Does that violate the US constitution, or anything like that?
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 04:44:24
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Hardly. As long as the internet as a whole remains open to atheists, any site has the legal right to determine who can or cannot post on its turf. Legally, they're beyond reproach. That doesn't make it morally just though.
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/02/01 06:50:32
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Is that right, could you bar an ethnic group? Surely it's equivalent to launching a whites only bus service, or the like of.
just to even the debate, Atheists are trying to kick God out of the Scouts.
http://www.dail...rticle_id=511632&in_page_id=1770
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 07:14:00
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Even the debate, Hooligan? Again it's the atheists that are being discriminated against. How does that "even the debate"!?!?
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/02/01 07:33:19
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The atheists should form some sort of organization that is protected, like say a church.
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/01 08:06:39
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http://www.myspace.com/BiteMeRupert
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/01 14:31:46
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i'm with Stone. they ought to make a church.
actually, i'm a Certified Lay Minister in The Church of the Comfortably Reclined
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/01 14:44:10
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A church is an association of people who share a particular belief system. The term church originated from the pre-Christian Germanic kirika. The term later began to replace the Greek ekklesia and Basilicae within Christendom, c300 AD.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/01 18:59:09
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SPRINGDALE, Arkansas ????
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From: Rem
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On: 2008/02/02 00:39:42
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Hi,
I sent them a mail asking whether I had to be a christian to participate. I developped that a bit to show them that i could be taken seriously and asked them to write me an answer.
Anyway I cancelled whatever ties I may or might have had with myspace.
Fanatism leads to terrorism, terrorism leads to war, war leads to the urge for strong leaders. And there goes freedom.
btw I never mentionned the anti atheist thing.
ps America: the land of the brave and the free??? A myth long gone by.
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/02 06:41:56
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Good going Rem!!!!!
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/02 20:24:23
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Older article: 40% of the 16-25 age-group in the United Kingdom are either atheist or agnostic (Gallup - Telegraph, Nov 1999). Despite this, the needs and concerns of atheist and agnostic students are being ignored by religious education in the UK. Worse, they are often the subject of active religious discrimination.
Religious leaders commonly abhor the decline in religious observance on the basis that this leads to immoral behaviour. In fact, Atheism Central maintains that there is no link between moral behaviour and religious behaviour. It is certainly wrong to teach children about religions and moral behaviour without also informing them of sources of moral guidance outside religion. For those who reject religion religious belief is contrary to common sense. They need to think through a common sense path to the reasons for behaving morally. Religious education classes should make it easier for them by looking closely for reasons for moral behaviour that do not rely on a religious foundation. Do not throw out the moral baby with the religious bathwater.
Continue reading here: http://www.eclipse.co.uk/thoughts/
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/02/03 11:44:30
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I always thought that freedom of religion applied to all forms of religion, including lack thereof and even ambivalence towards religion.
I guess I would qualify as an agnostic. I believe that there is a higher power of some sorts in the universe, but I generaly refrain from using the word God when discussing it because the word means so many different things. I would like to belong to a church to find out more about their beliefs and see if I like the place or people, but it is increasingly difficult to go to a church a few times and then leave to try another. Many will hound you to make you return to 'the flock'. I really hate the new-ish trend of churches telling their people who to vote for in elections. I have never liked the idea of giving a chunk of my income to a church, especially those that have multimillion dollar buildings with gigantic TVs in the main room and gold everywhere.
<prepares for onslaught of people on both sides telling me how stupid I am>
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/03 14:26:31
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I have been ultimately soured with the majority of mainstream churches. The problems that I had were:
1- too much power and control
2- too much guilt
3- too much group-think
4- too much reliance upon humans for interpretation
5- too much hypocrisy
6- too much judgment
7- too much placing of beliefs in a box that you are not supposed to think outside of.
8- too much emphasis on male-dominated traditions like *be subservient to your husband* - blech)
9- too much violent end of the world crap
10- too much selfishness involved.
I do know that I do not believe in god in the traditional sense.
I do not believe in one god.
I do not believe in the Christian fear factor of heaven or hell.
I do believe that catholicism has fucked up many a human mind.
I firmly believe that I have the potential to create my own negative or positive space.
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/03 21:42:14
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11 through 12,459- child molestation
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From: Mujtaba_Alam
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On: 2008/02/04 10:44:47
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http://en.wikip.../wiki/Atheist_and_Agnostic_Group
This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
lol, next thing you will know they will get ride of the name 'Atheist' from the dictionary.
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/04 11:35:19
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Moral majority of this country is made entirely of repulsive fucktards and theirs holier than thou attitude.
See: http://www.luv-hurts.com/youtubecensure.htm
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/02/04 11:54:43
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I have never understood the thing about boobies on TV. This being post Stupor Bowl Sunday, I am reminded of the idiotic 'wardrobe malfunction' of a few years ago and the unfuckingbelievable uproar about a tiny flash of a nipple.
How are female mammaries perverted or inappropriate?
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/05 07:24:19
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<soapbox>
here's the thing about topless women on tv, stone.
what about our daughters?
do we want to devalue their self-worth even more than we already do?
do we want to raise our girls to believe that their worth is only in their chest?
i'm a standard-issue, red-blooded american male. i like the r-rated stuff. but i am grateful to have raised my girl in a society where she didn't see boobs every time she turned on the tv.
i want her to know that she doesn't need to be sexual to be liked or feel valued.
same goes for my sons. i insist they view and value women for more than sexuality.
</soapbox>
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/05 08:06:51
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?
Anyway. Apparently the groups are back.
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From: Rem
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On: 2008/02/05 08:29:07
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I agree with mac in the sense that it is important to raise our kids with certain values.
What I don't like on the other hand is the idea that other people decide for me how to do that. Especially when it comes to "cleaning" the ideas we may stumble upon, or the things we have the right to see.
Nazi germany did something similar once...
I, as a responsible adult, claim the right to decide what is good or not good to see for my underaged children.
As far as religion is concerned, I give them access to every knowledge they want to have, but I'm not going to force a religion upon them. I am an atheist, but if my children want to become catholic, protestant or whatever, I'll not object. It'll be their choice.
In order to have the liberty of choice, we need to have access to all the knowledge, not just to some whitewashed ideas that suits the awfully loud silent majority, or other pressure groups.
btw My children ask me whether they may turn on the TV.
Dim TV as variant
If the homework is done
If the programme is not just rubbish
End If
I accept.
Else
NO WAY
End If
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/05 08:32:41
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>?
>Anyway. Apparently the groups are back.
huh????
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From: Mujtaba_Alam
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On: 2008/02/05 09:02:56
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>> Anyway. Apparently the groups are back. <<
Pino, you just like making up excuses. Sometime the group is gone and other time they are back. Why dont you simply admit its a Mircale.
Praise be the Lord for bring the Atheist Group back on Myspace.
:D
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/05 09:07:56
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But WHAT Lord exactly?
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From: Rem
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On: 2008/02/05 09:38:10
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The Lord Of The Tokenrings.
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From: Mujtaba_Alam
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On: 2008/02/05 10:30:35
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You dont know the Lord? My God no-wonder you people are so delusional.
Just coz people call the Lord by different names you assume he is different. Of Course people also call him: The Lord of the Ring. But thats another story.
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/05 12:49:33
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we're delusional?
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From: Rem
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On: 2008/02/06 04:13:19
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> you people ???
What difference is there between us?
> delusional ???
Don't think so. I'm pretty happy. Have an (atheist) wife, two kids, all in good health, a house to live in, friends to receive, and our daily bread (and wine) because we work hard to have that.
As a matter of fact I don't know the Lord. Haven't met him.
Can't meet someone that doesn't exist anyway.
Your best friend is you.
I'm my best friend too. We share the same view, and never argue. ;-))
(btw I make love to my wife, not to my best friend)
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From: Mujtaba_Alam
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On: 2008/02/06 04:19:02
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>> you people <<
LOL, I have a habit of saying you people, dont mind my english, its not racist or anything.. Anyone who isn't me, becomes "You People" :D
>> Can't meet someone that doesn't exist anyway. <<
Damn it, I knew I forgot to do something.
>> Your best friend is you. <<
Also Pino :D
>> I'm my best friend too. <<
Ahh, dont worry I will be your best friend too :)
>> We share the same view, and never argue. ;-)) <<
Ah, I like myself to be my best friend. We can then agree on everything, except for "you people".
>> (btw I make love to my wife, not to my best friend) <<
Yeah yeah we have heard that one before. When wife doesn't give love'in, you got to do it yourself.. LOL..
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From: Rem
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On: 2008/02/06 04:40:31
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I feel so sorry for you. I hope you'll find a loving wife one day.
But don't count on a Lord to find you one though. ;-)
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From: Mujtaba_Alam
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On: 2008/02/06 04:49:12
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>> I feel so sorry for you. I hope you'll find a loving wife one day. <<
ooh I have found a girl, but it those God Damn religious Mullahs in the way. :(
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From: Rem
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On: 2008/02/06 05:00:44
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That's the problem with religions. They got priests, mullahs or whatever name you call them. That's what made a lot of people agnostic.
Anyway, in your case, legalize the thing, get married, if that's the only way to live in mullahland.
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/02/10 15:21:32
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Agnostic Atheism's Wager
Whether or not you believe in God, you should live your life with love, kindness, compassion, mercy and tolerance while trying to make the world a better place. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will have made a positive impact on those around you. If there is a benevolent God reviewing your life, you will be judged on your actions and not just on your ability to blindly believe when there is a significant lack of evidence of his/her existence.
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From: Mujtaba_Alam
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On: 2008/02/10 16:04:07
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@ shekerra
I have always viewed the world this way. I am neither one extreme nor the other extreme. It is the world that is extreme.. :(
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/02/11 02:21:50
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Quote:
"Agnostic Atheism's Wager
Whether or not you believe in God, you should live your life with love, kindness, compassion, mercy and tolerance while trying to make the world a better place. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will have made a positive impact on those around you. If there is a benevolent God reviewing your life, you will be judged on your actions and not just on your ability to blindly believe when there is a significant lack of evidence of his/her existence."
And if there is a malevolent God, it doesn't matter anyway. Good one.
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/02/11 03:38:41
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HGM8DSnYh0
this is where I got the notion of 'constitutional rights from'. Whether or not the guy is right on that is anyones guess. But you listen to him buddy, lol.
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From: mac
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On: 2008/02/16 22:52:23
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YouTube is blocking nearly all anti-Scientology content
http://www.yout...ch?v=NmgQHYChrPw&feature=related
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/03/19 23:56:52
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Hey Pino - This is pretty damn good!
http://forum.fr...pedia.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18
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From: shekerra
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On: 2008/04/08 05:36:32
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This conversation is now closed.
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