From:  Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/22 06:12:08
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I’m having such fun hitting Reload on this page and seeing the amount ticking upwards.
http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7681914.stm)
-P
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/22 06:20:30
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Ha ha! I heard about this on the radio this morning. Two of the presenters were really falling out over the "God delusion". The christian one hadn't read it but still felt well placed to dis it.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/22 06:22:16
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Aw. I thought we were going to get them in Oxford.
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/22 07:15:58
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Every day I get in the queue (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
To get on the bus that takes me to you (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
I'm so nervous, I just sit and smile (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
Your house is only another mile (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
Thank you, driver, for getting me here (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
You'll be an inspector, have no fear (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
I don't want to cause no fuss (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
But can I buy your Atheist Bus? (Too much, the Atheist Bus)
Nooooooooo!
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/22 07:19:52
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Who said that?
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/22 07:41:32
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lol stone
Who did!
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/22 14:11:29
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I hear the fares are very reasonable. Thruppence and sixpence to drive to your baby.
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/22 14:13:22
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Here's the REAL scoop:
http://www.thed...ll,-say-christians-200810221343/
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/23 05:32:00
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Sounds like they are proposing a hedonistic way of life, pursue pleasure without worrying about the consequences for yourself, perhaps not for others either. Probably.
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/23 06:03:41
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po9Z9YCjt_Y
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/23 07:41:00
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> Aw. I thought we were going to get them in Oxford.
The rate things are going you WILL
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/23 07:50:25
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:-) Almost definitely as Dawkins works there.
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/23 10:20:53
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I'll laugh if it gets struck by lightning. Although you might be saved by the Faraday cage effect (Faraday=notable christian)
Sorry about this, but I find raising money for atheism slightly offensive if not bizarre.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/23 11:40:06
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>Sorry about this, but I find raising money for atheism slightly offensive
That's just it. Why should it be? Why do you need some non-existent character to make it inoffensive?
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/24 05:00:31
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That's thirty-odd years of brainwashing for ya
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/24 05:15:45
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Howzabout using some of the banners available here?
http://www.atheistcampaign.org/support/
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/24 05:48:09
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I am not keen on the pink, I think I'll be come a catholic.
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/24 06:15:59
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So...Atheists are gay or have breast cancer?
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/25 09:31:20
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this atheist society is bull anyway, it's like having a supporters club for people who hate football and don't support any team. This is actively promoting not believing in anything
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/25 10:41:01
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That comment just doesn't make sense. You can have a society of any group of like minded people. Why shouldn't any group of people who believe in the same thing,( yes believe, we believe that god does not exist, we believe we should not be stigmatised for what we believe, we believe we shouldn't be cast as infidels with no morals, we believe in doing the right things simply because they are right) get together and act as a group rather than millions of individuals.
>This is actively promoting not believing in anything
It is actively promoting not believing in something that doesn't exist.
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From: Huntress
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On: 2008/10/26 06:57:20
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Well said sanstete.
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/27 03:12:55
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> This is actively promoting not believing in anything
No, it actively refutes religious blind faith and it refutes the consequences of not following that blind faith.
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/27 03:21:47
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It can't imagine it's going to be very popular, people don't want to see an advert informing them that god simply doesn't exist. I think most people have given the matter somewhat more thought. the assertion that people religious faiths are blind in all cases is ludicrous.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/27 04:10:33
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>I think most people have given the matter somewhat more thought.
People don't tend to be atheist by default. Generally it is the reverse. Children on the whole are born into families or communities that have a certain religion and they grow up with that religion as default. They are indoctrinated. No thought process is necessary. I am not saying that all religious people have not given it thought but to become an atheist it generally requires a great deal of thought. You have to question what you have been brought up to believe. Question what your family, friends and community tell you is so. You weigh up the available evidence and come to your own conclusions. On the whole atheism requires considerably more thought.
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/27 05:46:57
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nah you just have to read a couple of Richard Dawkin's books to become an atheism, but it's a con, he sets out to make the reader feel clever, then he gets agreed with. But it's all middle brow stuff, the guys a fraud and a nit-wit.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/27 05:55:04
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The religious argument is "no brow". No logical argument, no evidence and when pushed hides behind faith and "what right have you to question my beliefs"
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/27 06:11:43
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The problem with atheists is that some of them are very cynical in nature and seek to remove any sort of feel good to anything.
I can't logically see how you can prove or disprove the existence of a higher power in the universe. You can claim that with our limited vision that it can't possibly exist based on what we know about the universe, but there are way too many things we don't know to posit it as irrefutable fact. Then again, there are religious nuts that believe some pretty odd stuff and you can't argue a single thing with them.
The only thing I know with complete certainty is that I don't know a damn thing at all with complete certainty.
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/27 06:25:47
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...and that is why anyone who says that the tooth fairy doesn't exist actually does deserve a punch in the bollocks.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/27 06:29:38
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>I can't logically see how you can prove or disprove the existence of a higher power in the universe.
It is widely accepted that proof of non-existence is virtually if not toally impossible. It would be possible to prove existence if there were proof. Lack of proof of exitence does NOT prove non-existence.
What a lot of atheists have concluded is that given the evidence available the likelihood of god existing is incredibly unlikely, to the extent they believe that god does not exist.
To borrow from a nit wit, if someone claims that there is a teapot orbitting the sun somewhere between the earth and Mars, we cannot prove it is not so, but from what we know it is extremely improbable. So much so that no one in their right mind would believe it.
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/27 08:23:22
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Everyone knows it is a coffeepot, not a teapot.
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/27 13:33:55
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> It is widely accepted that proof of non-existence is virtually if not toally impossible.
That's actually not true. Several types of non-existence are easily proven. For example, the non-existance of a 100 Euro Note in my wallet. Just open the thing and, regrettably, confirm there is no 100 Euro Note there.
I don't know how often "you cannot prove a negative" is trotted out by Theists, but it is not a logical absolute. Having said that, though, what sanstete says is spot on.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/27 13:47:14
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>Several types of non-existence are easily proven
Yes accepted, especially if you include a fairly restrictive "where" and "when". Like "in my wallet" and imply "now". Maybe not totally accurate but the point I was making is that proof of non-existence tends to be a lot harder than proof of existence. So most atheists accept that they cannot and probably will never be able to prove there is no god.
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/27 14:20:59
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Ahh, so they accept that on faith?
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/28 08:56:02
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!
I posted a thread about the Atheist Bus on EE. And it got deleted! LOL
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/28 09:10:17
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>I posted a thread about the Atheist Bus on EE. And it got deleted! LOL
So did I (in the lounge) and it didn't. :-)
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/28 09:11:23
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http://www.expe...com/Other/Lounge/Q_23839848.html
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/28 09:13:13
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Thanks for telling us after you passed out the points.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/28 09:17:29
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It's a pleasure :-)
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/28 12:34:55
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was the thread deleted from 'politics and philosophy' ? hard to see why? was it water street again?
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/29 04:35:26
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I have no idea. I got no notification from anyone, as far as I can tell. I posted that thread, left it for a few days, and yesterday I went and checked it again and *poof* it was gone.
Hang on. Maybe there is something in my e-mail..
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/29 04:37:57
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WVB,
Member Comments are also understood to be semi-private communications between EE and a Member. This is not a disciplinary Member Comment.
It would be nice to have you back as the excellent and thoughtful contributor you have shown yourself to be in previous threads.
There is a guideline for the P&R and Politics Zones at the following link.
http://www.expe...losophy_Religion/Q_23571924.html
If you would like to resume participation in these Zones, you will need to be aware of these guidelines and expectations for participation that have become formalized since you have been away.
Regarding your thread "The Wheels on the Bus" at http://www.expe...Religion/Q_23841495.html?cid=295
Section 2 applies to this thread which has been deleted because there is no serious primary thread question consistent with the topic area of philosophy & religion.
In particular, please note the following excerpts:
"These areas are similar to the other technical areas in that they have a primary question to be addressed along with optional subsidiary questions/issues that help explain the primary question
[...]
The Accepted Solutions and Assisted Solutions should be postings that reasonably address the primary question in a manner consistent with the topic area."
The thread has been deleted, if you want to submit a serious question of religion or philosophy or politics under these guidelines, then your participation is more than welcome.
regards.
Visit your profile:
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/29 04:39:29
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What an arsehole.
It's a fucking CHARITY. I'm making people aware of the existence of a CHARITY and a donations page.
Well, I guess I owe WaterStreet a "thank you" for reminding me why I left.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/29 04:49:38
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You should have included
Are you going to donate? at the bottom :-)
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2008/10/29 05:18:55
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LOL
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/10/30 05:13:10
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I left because it appeared that questioners were being led to believe that experts were employees.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2008/10/30 05:16:13
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yeah, you still get that. I hide in the lounge mostly.
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From: Baldrick
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On: 2008/10/31 03:17:59
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Pffft. I find myself visiting EE less and less these days. I can't be bothered to answer technical Qs there amongst the noise and bullshit; the lounge seems to be over-run with dirty syphilitic n00bs and mods like WaterStreet make me retch. EE's entire model of operation (emoticon:  ) looks woefully outdated if not obsolete - I prefer stackoverflow.com for asking/answering technical stuff, and this place for more general chit-chat.
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From: stone5150
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On: 2008/10/31 09:56:50
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Other than the obnoxious $10 Timmys (with inflation lately it is up to like $14 or somthing), the syphilitic n00bs in the lounge, and an occasional heavy handedness in the still moderated should be Lounge-ish TAs, EE is a great source for technical help. I'd still be floundering around with Exchange 5.5 if it weren't for the help of Simon and Keiran.
Don't forget that Carobit (and a bunch of other sites) probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for the dark times at EE caused by Jackass Lyon.
They also have a new-ish management now too, it is getting better, but it will take time to sort it out though. WaterStreet aka Walter is cool in person, but can get a little caught up in all the bullshit.
People like Scott Pletcher, Dan Rollins and Wes Lennon aren't helping but the owner has a soft spot for the old timers, no matter how much of an ass they are.
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2008/11/03 03:29:20
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From: Hooligan
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On: 2009/01/14 07:20:22
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wow people have complained to the advertising standards agency about the atheist bus.
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From: stone5150
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On: 2009/01/14 07:55:16
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The atheist bus is far less offensive than the 700 Club and those Mormon TV commercials.
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2009/01/14 14:50:07
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Indeed
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From: sanstete
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On: 2009/01/16 05:29:23
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http://news.bbc...hi/england/hampshire/7832647.stm
driver refuses to drive atheist bus
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From: stone5150
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On: 2009/01/16 07:31:00
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I can see how someone very religious would refuse to drive it, what I can't see is how that that is news and what sort of drama queen would react with "shock" and "horror" at a billboard with only words on it.
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2009/01/16 14:00:23
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lol
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From: Pino Carafa
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On: 2009/01/16 14:01:13
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> driver refuses to drive atheist bus
Sack the bastard. Atheist drivers have had to drive drivel buses with religious messages on them for ages. What a sad little fucktard.
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From: sanstete
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On: 2009/01/16 16:32:03
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quote
"I have difficulty understanding why people with particular religious beliefs find the expression of a different sort of beliefs to be offensive."
"I can't understand why some people seem to have a different attitude when it comes to atheists."
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